1/Lizzie

[Renee]

I know almost everyone here ships 1/362, but I like 1/Lizzie! ;D I mean Lizzie and Nigel were each others first loves. They fought for each other, they've been through good times and bad and yet they still made it through in the end. (Except in GIRLFRIEND, but I don't blame Lizzie, if my boyfriend continued to blow me off for work, I'd kind of be understanding, but I'd have my breaking point too, ya know?) Love like that isn't easy to get over, even with a break up, so in my own little world I don't think it's so much as a stretch for Lizzie and Nigel to get back together when they're adults and rekindle the love they shared before. *giggles* ;D ^^

This is the fic that got me into 1/Lizzie again:

www.fanfiction.net/s/4085300/1/Maybe_someday

It's just so....CUTE and sweet! <3 <3

[wallysgirl]

Jan 21, 2009 0:19:59 GMT -5 Renee said:

I know almost everyone here ships 1/362, but I like 1/Lizzie! ;D I mean Lizzie and Nigel were each others first loves. They fought for each other, they've been through good times and bad and yet they still made it through in the end. (Except in GIRLFRIEND, but I don't blame Lizzie, if my boyfriend continued to blow me off for work, I'd kind of be understanding, but I'd have my breaking point too, ya know?) Love like that isn't easy to get over, even with a break up, so in my own little world I don't think it's so much as a stretch for Lizzie and Nigel to get back together when they're adults and rekindle the love they shared before. *giggles* ;D ^^

This is the fic that got me into 1/Lizzie again:

www.fanfiction.net/s/4085300/1/Maybe_someday

It's just so....CUTE and sweet! <3 <3

MY FOLLOWING POST IS MY OPINION AND I SIMPLY ASK THAT IT BE RESPECTED AND NOT ATTACKED FOR BEING DIFFERENT. THANK YOU


As I've stated before, Lizzie/Nigel indeed this couple is Cannon in KND. And it was for 5 years and 6 seasons, right up until the very end.

I know, that a lot of people don't like Lizzie b/c she was SO overbearing of Nigel and bossy....but if you look at the series, you have to see that Nigel loved her. He really did. Otherwise he would have broken up with her long ago.

In CAKED THREE she was sorry for falling victim to the temptations of cake and saved the team, and Nigel forgave her, hugging her tightly and holding her hand.

He finally held her hand in DANCE as fireworks shot in the sky as well.

In POOL he didn't hesitate to jump in and save Lizzie, even after she was being a pain about her swimsuit. '^^ And he was happy when she engulfed him in a hug in the negaverse when he was still captive. Also when they escaped he held her hand and told her he was proud of her.

In FERAL, even though he wasn't in his mind and was all Rainbow Monkey ish, that didn't suppress his feelings for Lizzie. As soon as he saw her he jumped on her and started kissing her all over.

At the end of RECESS he FINALLY made time to push her on the swingset.

Operation SNOWING, he fought with Jimmy for Lizzie's affections.

Operation LEADER, Nigel enjoyed Lizzie's praises of how he was working so hard on missions and the attention she gave him.

Operation LUNCH they two actually shared a lunch date, and Nigel was willing to stay behind and wait for Lizzie rather than go back to the treehouse with Numbuhs 2 & 4....(and nothing really was stopping him from going b/c in GIRLFRIEND he kept leaving lizzie over and over for the mission. '^^)

And GIRLFRIEND, which I know everyone sees as a 1/362 episode, really did focus on the 1/Lizzie relationship. Nigel was desperately trying to juggle his job and his love life, not wanting to lose either. My favorite line would perhaps be when he told Lizzie, "Shaddup and let me say I'm sorry" (sooo smooth! ^^) And even when Rachel ordered him to get his prioriteis in order and go after the candy coat, Nigel chose to save Lizzie's life so that his treehouse would not kill her. And that thing WAS going in for the kill, it wanted to annhilate Lizzie. Nigel even told the computer he loved Lizzie and cried out to her that he would change after she broke up with him, and he also cried a tear when she left.

And Mr. W. kept their relationship going throughout the entire series.


You all pretty much know where I stand....I don't really ship 1/362 based on the aspect of the show b/c i really don't see it. I just can't see Nigel with THAT Rachel. If anyone wants to ask me why I'll respond in a PM b/c i really don't wanna go into it here. A lot of people base their relationship on the sheer fact of their occupation; and while I agree that "Courting Commanders" is a cute concept....i really just didn't see a mutual bond between the too. What I did see, was Nigel being more kind, caring, sensitive, and open hearted to Rachel, but I didn't see just as much reception on her part. And as leader, some of the decisions she made weren't fair to Nigel. And i do have evidence of that if anyone is curious.

Again, this is in the show.

Now, fandom wise, Allie has made Rachel more kind and understanding than i had seen her in the show. She's even had Rachel feel sorry for her actions as leader and her 1/362 fluffometer is off the charts and really cute. She can make them work. The same with Jas and her 1/362 art. But sometimes couples that aren't cannon do work better in fandom shipings.

Personally, I'm not an avid 1/362 shipper, though i think it's cute in the RPs and such. But most of my couples that I ship are based strictly on evidence of the show based. While I didn't like Lizzie, I must say she had a very strong relationship with Nigel and they did love each other. Even if Lizzie was annoying the crud out of him, Nigel didn't let her go. Even if he acted like she was getting on his last nerves...he DIDN'T dump her. After 5 years and six seasons of KND, he remained by her annoying side; and I think something is to be said for that. He couldn't leave her. I almost wonder if he liked the challenge of having such a strong/independent girlfriend at his side while he did missions. But the fact remains that he did take her for granted, especially in GIRLFRIEND, and I would have done the same. Though it wasn't his fault, we must remember he's still just a kid.

If my boyfriend was more obsessed with his job than with paying me a little attention and giving me a little time, i would have left him too because I AM worth his time more than his job is. I do exist and have feelings, and I think Nigel just forgot that.


Okay, I'm done. And respond however you like, but please respect my views and opinons as I do yours, whatever they may be. ^^ You can challenge my arguments if you like and that's fine, but still this is how I feel and it's not really a secret. I've always said that I support 1/362 more fandom wise than show wise....but I'm no where near as strong a shipper as the other Courting Commanders. But that's just who I am. I really used to ship 1/362, but GIRLFRIEND actually ended it for me, which is weird because it was the catalyst that sparked 1/362 for others. The main episodes that crush my 1/362 ness in the show are: GIRLFRIEND, Grim Adventures of KND, ZERO, and INTERVIEWS.

Please don't get mad and just respect the right i have to express my own opinion, but i can't help how I feel. I know there are a lot of Courting Commanders here and I praise you guys for standing 100% behind your shipdom. I really do. ^^ I just don't think i fall as much into that category b/c of the above post i have made.

Thanks!

(PS: Actually, the Nigel shipping I support most, and I think that I am the only one in this boat, is Nigel/Zezzil, only b/c i love that moment @ the end of POOL and its so uber cute and i liked the way Nigel flirted with Eizzil *Giggles*. ^-^ Again, that's just me. =3)

[allie]

It's okay, guys! No worries.

I think 1/Lizzie is unique in its own way, like in every couple.

I don't support it, I guess it's because I have the greatest love for 1/362 and it isn't gonna stop soon. =P Though Lizzie has really matured her way through out the series, that is a fact.

LEADER is awesome with their relationship, don't get me wrong! Even though Lizzie was a bit bossed-up with Sector V, thr 1/Lizzie coupling in the end was very sweet. (And I'm not even a shipper of the two! Heh)

But it seemed that, just IMO, their 'ship was sinking a bit in the fifth season... which it eventually did in GIRLFRIEND. ^^; And it was time for both of them to part, and go their seperate ways I suppose. Not that I'm dissing, I just think it was for the best is all. But--maybe they'll meet again one day! You never know. ^^

Also; I would have start to ship them if 1/362 didn't make any contact... but 1/362 took my hear away, and I'll never give up on them. They're my greatest love. <3

Rika is 100% on everything, including of the 1/362 interaction in GIRLFRIEND. I only watched it once; plan to never again! (I watched it on November 9th of 2007, still have the date. XD) The break-up was really dark towards me, and I didn't want that way to be.

Um... I guess this helps you understand about me and 1/Lizzie. I didn't really like Lizzie when she was early in the series, but she grew on me. ^_^ I don't like her with Nigel, but she's pretty cool IMO. I like her with Numbuh 65.3 because they seem very sweet together, and Herbie's crushy-wushy is always fluffy-me up in LEADER. Awww.

I hope it's okay if I said my thoughts of 1/Lizzie. ^^

[CCACorn26]

I don't know why just yet, but I have a strange feeling that some of you might excoriate me for what I'm about to say. (clearing throat) Even with the points cited by WallysChika, my skepticism about this pairing was enough to convince me to avoid Codename: Kids Next Door completely in the past. Perhaps to put it another way, when I seriously examined this pairing for myself, the basic dynamic I sensed was something like, "Nigel and Lizzie simply love each other, and that's all that matters.". As it was, my interests practically demanded a deeper, more serious couple. Nigel/Abby might have been it, and I might have consequently gone along with Patton/Rachel later, but over time, I saw elements of Hoagie/Abby in the Kids Next Door world, thereby leaving me to focus elsewhere.

Given these various puzzle pieces, so to speak, and my own observations of Nigel and Rachel's seriousness and current leadership positions, my reasoning regarding my interest in Nigel/Rachel might be that much more understandable. If what GoldenFlither opines is correct, then Nigel/Abby works best in the future, meaning several years after the show... when I would prefer a couple that works best in the present, which I ended up defining as the moments, days, and weeks after Operation: Z.E.R.O. and "Operation: I.T.". I happened to look through lillyfan123 and Lord Malachite's observations about these two Kids Next Door commanders, and then, I caught a deviantART picture from Allie called "Tears in Rain". My decision to start portraying international jihadism as a form of adult tyranny that could exceed Grandfather might be history from there, starting with "Massacre in New York City".

After what I've said, there may be some who opine that I'm the most serious -- and grim -- of the Panda Warriors around here. Of course, as my fanfiction ideas began to develop, I found myself wanting to give Lizzie a chance to be integrated into my way of thinking, so I settled around pairing her with Herbie, then portraying both of them as having outsiders' perspectives to the new challenges the rest of the Kids Next Door, led by Nigel and Rachel, were confronting directly. As with my interest in 21st century American and international politics, the rest is history from there.

So, there's the Lizzie component of my interest in this show, as I developed it. In retrospect, the circumstances may be ironic, and that might be putting it mildly. If Mr. Warburton was trying to communicate the idea that it's okay to be a kid at heart, including Nigel and Lizzie's relationship, even with all their negatives, then my interest in Nigel and Rachel's romantic friendship involves topics that might be perceived as being better understood by... adults. I'd like to think that I've successfully estimated what the Kids Next Door might think of this post-Grandfather adult tyranny, and in fact, I will admit to wondering what Father might think of the new adult villains I've been developing. In the end, Herbie and Lizzie might best be thought of as minor characters alongside Bartie and Virginia, with Nigel/Rachel, Patton/Fanny, Wally/Kuki, Hoagie/Abby, and Lee/Sonia as the couples appearing more often within my stories. I may not exactly be much for romantic fluff... unless I sincerely opine that it serves my interests for a specific fanfiction quite well. In a nutshell, I am permanently skeptical of Nigel/Lizzie but eager to support Nigel/Rachel and Herbie/Lizzie.

[wallysgirl]

Lizzie grew on me too. ^^ Though I think Allie already knows what it was specifically about GIRLFRIEND that I didn't like. It wasn't the breakup itself but it was something else. If anyone is curious about why i don't ship 1/362 in the series then i will post the reasons, but be warned they'd be awfully anti 1/362. =(

Jan 23, 2009 0:34:56 GMT -5 CCACorn26 said:

If Mr. Warburton was trying to communicate the idea that it's okay to be a kid at heart, including Nigel and Lizzie's relationship, even with all their negatives, then my interest in Nigel and Rachel's romantic friendship involves topics that might be perceived as being better understood by... adults.

I must agree that the topics under which you build Nigel and Rachels relationships in your fanfictions certainly would go over the head of the average child. ^^


WARNING, LONG POST AHEAD '^^ (sorry i type too much. T-T)


While the topics around which you construct your coupling are signficant in terms of your target audience, I'm thankful that age itself doesn't really make a difference in how you perceive a shipping. I mean, Mr. Warburton was an adult and he had Nigel and Lizzie as a couple in the series. The only reason for their breakup was for Nigel to completely sever all ties with anything he loved and cared about so he could be fully focused and ready for his mission as a GKND operative, which i thought was a wonderful plotline!

Him not having 1/362 as a couple didn't make him any less awesome. Yet the fact is that 1/362 has, indeed, become one of the number one couples for many KND fans of all ages. If Mr. W brings GKND to the small screen and has paid attention to his fanbase since the end of GKND, I wouldn't be surprised if he did pair up 1/362 somehow....but he'd have to seriously make up for Rachel's actions in the C:KND for me to accept the couple fully.

Luckily, The KND Fandom base itself spreads from children to adults, all of which support different ships because they understand/perceive them for different reasons. I'm just often wonder, out of curiosity, what first got people into 1/362. Though I believe 90% the time the answer is Operation IT or GIRLFRIEND. lol! (And why CaCorn26 and Allie ship it is quite clear ^^)

I'm in my Junior year of college, pre-adult hood, which if anything i think allow all of us older KND fans (which i think it's safe to assume most of us here are highschool bound and up) look at couplings more seriously as evidence for why we love them the way we do.

My number 1 shipping for Nigel actually has the least evidence in the whole series, but I based it on how flirtatious Nigel was even with Lizzie right next to him, and with his smile and how happy his aura seemed around Eizzil at the end of pool.

Which I guess would be the same reason as to why some people shipped 1/Katie a long time ago, just the way he smiled around her. (I wasn't one of them but i know people who were. ^^)

Yet at the same time I can also understand why the aspect under which why other fans may like 1/Lizzie or 1/362 or 1/Katie or what have you. The awesome thing is there's a way to make them all work if you look hard enough.

I wanted to commend Renee for this topic b/c there really aren't a lot of 1/Lizzie fans, more or less b/c Lizzie just didn't seat well with the fanbase and I was one of those who, for the longest time, thought Nigel deserved better than Lizzie.

And here, 5 years later looking back on it, I realized how I was supporting my couplings, and that it wasn't about MY opinion of Lizzie, but factual evidence of Nigel's feelings for Lizzie, her feelings for Nigel, and how they responded to each other. Now I'm not a strong 1/Lizzie shipper, but I do respect, understand, and to some extent support it.

I also agree that 1/5 started to appeal to me at one point because Abby was not only Nigel's 2nd in command, but they had a long history together and she was always there for him, tucking him in, helping him make the right choices, saving him. They just seemed like really close friends and the fanfiction showing this really did work. But in the show, 2/5 appealed to me more b/c of how Abby seemed to be jealous of Hoagie flirting with other girls, and how Hoagie seemed to be worried about Abby in danger. They were always paired off together on missions and were a great team. And I really do love them together. ^^

But regardless of if you're a kid, teen, or adult, different people understand different shippings for different reasons, which makes us all unique i think. ^^ And makes headway for interesting conversation and exchanging of ideas such as this thread. And whether or not others agree with you isn't a big deal as long as everyone's willing to open up and accept each other's views.

I must say CaCorn26 and Allie, I want to thank you guys for being so mature about this. Other KND fans would go crazy and get mad if people don't ship their coupling but you guys are awesome and respectable in how you responded here. Especially since you're both SUPREME 1/362 shippers. Thank you guys for being so kind and understanding. ^-^ and at least you guys can keep the positive light of 1/362 alive. Really if it wasn't for Allie i wouldn't even consider these two being together. T-T

[allie]

Jan 23, 2009 2:14:07 GMT -5 @wallysgirl said:

Lizzie grew on me too. ^^ Though I think Allie already knows what it was specifically about GIRLFRIEND that I didn't like. It wasn't the breakup itself but it was something else. If anyone is curious about why i don't ship 1/362 in the series then i will post the reasons, but be warned they'd be awfully anti 1/362. =(

Jan 23, 2009 0:34:56 GMT -5 CCACorn26 said:

If Mr. Warburton was trying to communicate the idea that it's okay to be a kid at heart, including Nigel and Lizzie's relationship, even with all their negatives, then my interest in Nigel and Rachel's romantic friendship involves topics that might be perceived as being better understood by... adults.

I must agree that the topics under which you build Nigel and Rachels relationships in your fanfictions certainly would go over the head of the average child. ^^


WARNING, LONG POST AHEAD '^^ (sorry i type too much. T-T)


While the topics around which you construct your coupling are signficant in terms of your target audience, I'm thankful that age itself doesn't really make a difference in how you perceive a shipping. I mean, Mr. Warburton was an adult and he had Nigel and Lizzie as a couple in the series. The only reason for their breakup was for Nigel to completely sever all ties with anything he loved and cared about so he could be fully focused and ready for his mission as a GKND operative, which i thought was a wonderful plotline!

Him not having 1/362 as a couple didn't make him any less awesome. Yet the fact is that 1/362 has, indeed, become one of the number one couples for many KND fans of all ages. If Mr. W brings GKND to the small screen and has paid attention to his fanbase since the end of GKND, I wouldn't be surprised if he did pair up 1/362 somehow....but he'd have to seriously make up for Rachel's actions in the C:KND for me to accept the couple fully.

Luckily, The KND Fandom base itself spreads from children to adults, all of which support different ships because they understand/perceive them for different reasons. I'm just often wonder, out of curiosity, what first got people into 1/362. Though I believe 90% the time the answer is Operation IT or GIRLFRIEND. lol! (And why CaCorn26 and Allie ship it is quite clear ^^)

I'm in my Junior year of college, pre-adult hood, which if anything i think allow all of us older KND fans (which i think it's safe to assume most of us here are highschool bound and up) look at couplings more seriously as evidence for why we love them the way we do.

My number 1 shipping for Nigel actually has the least evidence in the whole series, but I based it on how flirtatious Nigel was even with Lizzie right next to him, and with his smile and how happy his aura seemed around Eizzil at the end of pool.

Which I guess would be the same reason as to why some people shipped 1/Katie a long time ago, just the way he smiled around her. (I wasn't one of them but i know people who were. ^^)

Yet at the same time I can also understand why the aspect under which why other fans may like 1/Lizzie or 1/362 or 1/Katie or what have you. The awesome thing is there's a way to make them all work if you look hard enough.

I wanted to commend Renee for this topic b/c there really aren't a lot of 1/Lizzie fans, more or less b/c Lizzie just didn't seat well with the fanbase and I was one of those who, for the longest time, thought Nigel deserved better than Lizzie.

And here, 5 years later looking back on it, I realized how I was supporting my couplings, and that it wasn't about MY opinion of Lizzie, but factual evidence of Nigel's feelings for Lizzie, her feelings for Nigel, and how they responded to each other. Now I'm not a strong 1/Lizzie shipper, but I do respect, understand, and to some extent support it.

I also agree that 1/5 started to appeal to me at one point because Abby was not only Nigel's 2nd in command, but they had a long history together and she was always there for him, tucking him in, helping him make the right choices, saving him. They just seemed like really close friends and the fanfiction showing this really did work. But in the show, 2/5 appealed to me more b/c of how Abby seemed to be jealous of Hoagie flirting with other girls, and how Hoagie seemed to be worried about Abby in danger. They were always paired off together on missions and were a great team. And I really do love them together. ^^

But regardless of if you're a kid, teen, or adult, different people understand different shippings for different reasons, which makes us all unique i think. ^^ And makes headway for interesting conversation and exchanging of ideas such as this thread. And whether or not others agree with you isn't a big deal as long as everyone's willing to open up and accept each other's views.

I must say CaCorn26 and Allie, I want to thank you guys for being so mature about this. Other KND fans would go crazy and get mad if people don't ship their coupling but you guys are awesome and respectable in how you responded here. Especially since you're both SUPREME 1/362 shippers. Thank you guys for being so kind and understanding. ^-^ and at least you guys can keep the positive light of 1/362 alive. Really if it wasn't for Allie i wouldn't even consider these two being together. T-T

@the actual reason
Don't worry. I thought Rachel herself was a little too... ticky. Believe you me. The only Rachel I like in the episode where she and Nigel were having lunch together, and they seemed sneaky about it. (XD) And I loved it how Rachel teased him in the beginning when she walked in after him. (Oh, hoho... looks like I have another idea popped into my mind. Stay away, plotbunnies! I have enough ideas for fanfiction already. *stab, stab*) So don't worry about it.

@gknd
I believe the actual people who started 1/362 way back when was in fanfiction. Genosythe, Radiant-Beam, even Cynix had a fanfic of "[1][362], 2/5, 3/4". XD And it was all before ZERO, or IT.


(yet I have to go now, need'a go to school. I need to finish up after school, so there will be more writing from me in a few hours. xD)

EDIT!:

(I ish back!)

@1/Other girls
1/Eizzil is funny. xD Yet, I think -1 might be sorta jealous, don't you think? (even if they are ex-s... OH, maybe since GIRLFRIEND, they became boyfriend/girlfriend. XD That's just a thought!)

*GASP* How did you know I shipped 1/Katie years back? x3 Oh, you! lol. I grew out of it, watched IT for the second time--and decided to myself, Katie wasn't going to come back... Nigel was really understanding with Rachel, and so apologitic, and smooth grins... and his soft voice... and that amazing bald head-- *smacks sense into self*

Sorry, dreamed-up there again. ^^; But yeah, I did ship 1/Katie a few years ago, from 2004-2007. I have shipped 1/362 since 2007 since... forever now. And finally my teacher really got me into thinking it deeper in Concert Choir today. ;D Yay!

But the actual only Nigel paring I don't like at all is 1/5. I admit it, I dislike it a lot. They just don't... look good together to me. Oo; I only see them as a very strong friendship. ^^ Close, like a brother and sister! That's all I like.

BUT 2/5 on the other hand... is amazing. ;D

[CCACorn26]

And to think: even Pokémon might have played a role in shaping the overall environment, so to speak, underlying my Codename: Kids Next Door fanfictions. The constant arguments between Nigel and Lizzie reminded me somewhat of the arguments between Ash and Misty, while the calmness between Nigel and Abby struck me as being similar to the calmness between Ash and May. Then, there's the optimism between Nigel and Rachel, which might bear some similarities to Ash and Dawn's optimism for each other. Meanwhile, whether by coincidence or intent, it's my sincere opinion that Pokémon Hunter J and Team Galactic are each on their way to making Team Rocket -- and I don't mean Jessie, James, and Meowth -- look nice, just as I've had my post-Grandfather adult villains make Grandfather look nice, and as Ash and Dawn are the ones confronting J and Team Galactic in the present, meaning those two kids' current adventures in Sinnoh, so, too, are Nigel and Rachel confronting international jihadism and its sordid allies in the weeks and months after Operation: Z.E.R.O. and "Operation: I.T." (in my fanfictions, of course). I would opine that Herbie and Lizzie might be alarmed at such adult villainy... while simply declaring their support for the Kids Next Door however they can.

[Kelly the Kool 290]

Wow holy moley you guys have a lot to say about 1/Lizzie *just looked at the size of posts but hasn't actually read them*

Um...I kinda like it, Kataang is the only couple I really ship strongly (I kinda got over 3/4 *gasp*) but yeah everything else I kinda just 'yeah it's cool' you know

i know most of us probably dislike Lizzie, but I think she's kinda funny (she kinda reminds me of Kagura in Fruits Basket, cept a bit less violent)

[anni.a.p.3]

I really like the 1/Lizzie and I think that they are good boyfriend and girlfriend. And
I`m agree with flirtykuki I don't blame Lizzie.
She do for a very good reason, and she was tired, so that means that she loves him so much to break with him 6 seasons after, I understand her.

When I was 9 years old, I didn`t like Lizzie because I like the 1/5 but later I like the 1/362 and finally I like the 1/Lizzie, because they show love and Lizzie start to be kind funny (for me)and really I like the 1/Lizzie. hihi