60/362 Thread

[prettywitchiusaka]

Hello everyone. I've been thinking about doing this for awhile, and I finally decided to go ahead with it. Welcome to the Panda Warriors 60/362 thread.

This however, will not be as much a fan thread so much as it will be a discussion thread( unlike the one Jam and I run on the fourm). Here, you can discuss if you like the couple, what you like about teh couple, and even small scenarinos you could find them in. People who don't like the couple are also welcome here to express their feelings, which means that there will be absolutely NO FLAME WARS( Sorry, I just don't want to ruin any friendships is all)!

But anyway though, please enjoy your stay here. And mostly importantly, have fun!

[CCACorn26]

Hello. A discussion about the merits of Patton/Rachel I see now, and I can recall my past exchanges with you about this subject in the past. I've found them informative in comparing and contrasting with my own understanding of Nigel/Rachel, and perhaps a review of the basic points you communicated in supporting Patton/Rachel will be an excellent way to get this thread going. Thank you for your welcome, and I hope to see you soon.

[prettywitchiusaka]

Sure, I might as well start, seeings as how I am the one who created the first post.

My view of the 60/362 couple and the reason I like it is because I find them to be two very interesting people that could easily work in a situation where they would be attracted to one another. Rachel is a very charismatic, as well as strong and intelligent, but gentle at heart. I've always felt that a guy like Patton could easily fall for her because of her powerful personality.

In Patton's case, I think Rachel could fall for him because of his passion and his undeniable kindness towards other people. he's very compassionate about his job, as well as strong, brave, and seemingly fearless. That I feel, would be the great mark of any perfect guy is that they put up a tough front, but in reality they're incredibly considerate people.

How I view the couple is in the form of a tragic romance, primarily because of their positions. As leader of an entire organization, Rachel must constantly keep the balance between the organization's safety and its downfall. But as we've seen throughout the show, she herself is not immune to making mistakes. As a result, she would have to be careful not to fall or even long for the love of anotehr individual, for it could cost the very safety of the organization.

In Patton's case, I think it would be the same for him as it would be for Rachel. Patton is a Drill Sergeant, and in being one he is not suppost to allow his sensitive side to be shown to merely anyone, for should he no one would take him seriously. As a result, he can't allow himself to show his true heart( nor his love) to any female operative he might be attracted to.

To me, this makes them a perfect tragic couple in the vein of Romeo and Juliet( kind of). That, and it makes for more interesting stories.

Well, that's all I can think of right off the top of my head, but that's my main reason for liking this couple in spite of its small fanbase and lack of evidence to support it.

[CCACorn26]

Evidence from the show? There may not be much for Patton/Rachel, but I can recognize the foundation you have described. Patton and Rachel may be drawn to each other, but they must work through their respective uncertainties in order to accept what they feel. Patton may be more willing to accept his feelings than Rachel might be for hers, so he may be more likely to try explaining himself to her if they're arguing about anything, even said feelings. Rachel might counter that she and Patton can't have a romantic friendship... due to some difficulties. In my case, I may have a problem with those difficulties by themselves, given my penchant for seeking opportunity in difficulty, so to speak, including, nay, especially opposing thought processes about romance. According to these attributes, I don't imagine that Rachel would necessarily accept an actual date with Patton, even if it was, say, a special mission. To be more specific, perhaps that's ultimately a component of my fanfiction model, in that if there's a new villain about to challenge the Kids Next Door and Nigel and Rachel have gone missing in the timeframe leading up to that villain's emergence, then it's more than likely that Nigel and Rachel have discovered a possible clue to stopping that new villain and his/her minions and are trying to decipher it... something I can't envision Patton and Rachel doing.

[prettywitchiusaka]

Well I say lack of evidence, but when I do I'm talking about the three breif scenes between the two characters in later years of the show. One is a breif exchange in TREATY, the second is a breif conversation in CAKED-FIVE, and the third is the big fight scene in ZERO (of which I've built so much drama around it's not even funny).

Wow though, for someone who isn't really a fan of this couple, we certainly are on the same wavelength about how their relationship could work out. I personally feel however that they could go out on dates, it would just be difficult to do so because of their positions. Although as Lord M once mentioned to me, they could probably always have a small date on Global Command while doing their work together.

Your model I must admit, is very interesting though.

Edit- Oh, I forgot to mention, I finally have the first chapter for my new story up in the fanfiction section. While it's mostly a Rachel-centered story, but there will be 60/362 later on in the story if anyone's interested.

[CCACorn26]

Perhaps dates would be easier to integrate into a romantic friendship between Nigel and Rachel than they would be for Patton and Rachel, considering the similarities in Nigel and Rachel's thought processes as opposed to those of Patton and Rachel. I remember having Nigel, Rachel, Lee, and Sonia go on a double date toward the end of "Rifts of Darkness in Time and Space", in which those four kids defeated Adolf Solanus and stopped time and space from collapsing all over Earth, and in the time between the events portrayed in "Wallabee and Kuki" and those portrayed together in "Nightmares... or Premonitions of Chaos?", "Smokescreens, Dogs, and Rainbows", and "Dates among Disturbances", Nigel and Rachel had been out of sight of the rest of Sector V, gathering information about Ali Muhammad Teherani and the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution. Wally and Kuki were the ones who had the premonitory nightmare about Teherani's ascendancy, perhaps similar to -- or different from -- certain nightmares within Patton and Rachel's memories about Grandfather's return. I could imagine that with either Grandfather or Father teasing and mocking Patton and/or Rachel for any feelings those two kids might have, Patton and Rachel can only be all the more determined to keep whatever romantic friendship they have a secret, despite any confrontations by anyone, even Fanny, about that issue. One might guess that my view of Nigel and Rachel is more... political, so to speak, than your view of Patton and Rachel, perhaps even between your form of tragic romance for Patton/Rachel and Allie's form of romantic fluff for Nigel/Rachel in terms of overall seriousness.

[prettywitchiusaka]

It probably would be easier for Nigel to go out on dates with Rachel I agree. But that's not to say that Rachel and Patton couldn't make time for each other I feel, they could probably work things out, maybe even joke about turning a mission into a 'date' they can both go on.

Are you kidding? GF would totally make fun of them for having feelings, its in his nature to mock people for his own sick amusement. As it is Father's as well. In terms of their nightmares of GF returning, Rachel's only fear is allowing herself to fall to his power once more, for her memories from ZERO still linger in the back of her mind as she questions if what happened was truly her fault. Patton on the other hand, is scared of the same thing, but also scared of failing Rachel once more in the name of the one he loathes with a passion.

Fanny I feel would actually not approve of the relationship ocne she discovers its existence. Primarily for two reasons, one is that she would be constantly concerned for Rachel's well being, the other being her policy about boys in general. In spite of this though, I feel she'd step back and not let her non-blessing get in the way of her friend's hapiness, even if Rachel is aware of that fact.

Oh, on a last note, I have the first chapter of my new story up. It's mostly a Rachel-centered story, but it will have some 60/362 later on if you're interested.

[wallysgirl]

I'll say it's always nice to view new ships from different perspectives.

I certainly never consider 60/362 until Prettywitch came to the forum and I think she portrays her support of their coupling well in her fanfictions. ^u^


It'll be interesting to see how more of this ship develops in the future.

Personally, cannon-wise I'm mosre of a 1/Lizzie fan....actually 1/Eizzil *giggles*

In light of that I hadn't really thought of who I'd like Rachel to be with, but I've informed Allie that the thought of 362/274 has crossed my mind, perhaps a relationship similar 5/Maurice (even though I ship 2/5, I thought Abby's crush on Maurice was cute).

But that's getting off topic.

I certainly do think 60/362 is interesting and I wanna think Prettywitch for bringing another aspect of variety to the forum where couplings are concerned.

The awesome thing about PWs is that we can have our differences w/ couplings and still be amazing friends b/c we respect each other as well.

And Prettywitch, if you write more 60/362 fanfics I'd certainly like to read them to see your perspective of fleshing out their relationship more.

In the past I didn't ship 1/5 but I liked 1/5 fanfiction. I shipped 2/5 but I thought Maurice/5 fanfiction was cute. 1/Lizzie was/is cannon but I prefer 1/Eizzil, so I'm certainly not close minded where pairings are concerned with the KND. Thanks for introducing another ideal couple to the KND world on the forum. ^^

[prettywitchiusaka]

Thanks Wallyschika. To be humbly honest, I'm not close-minded about pairings either. I mean after all, I support this couple, but I also enjoy reading 1/362 fanfiction( particuraly Allies).

Well in terms of development, I've actually created a variety of topic discussions, scene ideas, thoughts, seedlings, and even story concepts wher I have crafted the relationship along with my fellow 60/362 fans. Most of them are gone now unfortunately, but I still get to talk about it with my good friend fangirl4315, who is very supportive of my work, as I am hers.

Say, seeings as how you've decided to come on here and chat about it Wallyschika, what's your view of the couple?

Thanks about the fanbfic stuff. If you're interested in reading more, then head on over to teh fanfic section, for I have my new story 'Of Fragile Leaders and Terrorists' officially up!

[CCACorn26]

deviantART: princessd1: 60x362 desk jockeys

I recall a deviantART image drawn by one princessd1 in which Patton is eyeing Rachel a bit nervously, and I couldn't help thinking that Fanny would be annoyed, if at first, according to prettywitch's description. Yet, Patton and Rachel may be a little more uncertain about themselves and each other than might be expected of such an image. One might assume that Patton and Rachel would want Fanny -- and Sector V -- to keep their feelings for each other a secret, lest it make the gossip rounds across various Kids Next Door sectors. Next, where there's Kids Next Door gossip, there may be a teenager or an adult villain, most likely Father, paying attention, leading to a new plan to challenge Patton and Rachel directly.

[prettywitchiusaka]

Oh yeah, I remember that picture. That was always one of my favorites.

I'd agree, should Fanny and Sector V find out about this, I'm certain that Rachel and Patton would want them to keep this a secret. I mean after all, supposing Father did discover how Rachel and Patton feel about each other.

Father: Well, well, well. It looks like our little Miss McKenzie is in love with someone who loves her in return. A perfect setting for my advantage, no?

DC: Indeed Father.

[prettywitchiusaka]

Hello everybody. One thing I commonly do with this couple is discussion questions. Little question that get a certain topic started for you to express your opinion on how a certain part of that coupling( in your own mind) would work. As such, I decided I'd start one up here if that's okay by everyone.

Since we're on teh topic of how people would react to their relationship, I've decided to ask the opposite for this topic.

How do you think their friends would discover their relationship?

In the case of Sector V, I've always beleived that my fan-character( who is a chatter box) would be teh perfect gateway into Sector V Coming to know of the relationship. Fanny I feel, would also find out from them by complete accident.

In terms of Father, I've always thought that the DC would discover this first while spying on Sector V( while Rachel was there talking about it). They then would report it to Father, who would only smirk in delight upon learning this knowledge.

What do you guys think?

[CCACorn26]

Greetings once more, prettywitch, and I see a new interesting question at this moment. If Patton and Rachel are more secretive about any romantic friendship on their part than Nigel and Rachel, then one might assume that Sector V would most likely discover feelings between the first couple... unintentionally. Kuki and Abby could notice Rachel/Patton acting strangely, especially if Patton/Rachel comes up, and if Kuki gets to be curious enough, then she could cheerfully ask Rachel/Patton what's going on. After some hesitation on Rachel/Patton's part, Kuki and Abby perceive their suspicions to be confirmed. Either Patton, Rachel, or both might be somewhat fearful at first, then reassured once Kuki and Abby promise to keep these romantic interests a secret... at least for the moment. Hoagie and Wally might be more likely to tease both Patton and Rachel about it at first, then go along with that promise.

[prettywitchiusaka]

Ooh, I like that idea. In fact, that could make a really interesting story concept. Well going by your logic, I would assume that Nigel would discover this unintentionally himself.

My way of thinking about this was that one night, Nigel couldn't stay at the treehouse because of a renevation going on. Since the rest of his Sector is on vacation for the long weekend, Rachel kindly offers him to stay at her house, to which he willingly accepts. Then late one night, Nigel is watching a movie because he can't sleep. He then hears someone outside, and goes to the window, only to find Rachel and Patton holding hands and playfully flirting. The two then kiss goodnight and Rachel walks back into her house, only to be confronted by Nigel.

He then begins to ask her questions about this, surprised and asstonished by the fact that she's breaking a rule. Slightly emberassed to be discovered like this, Rachel explains to Nigel what happened and why she had to keep is secret, asking him to do the same. Although reluctant at first, Nigel agrees. After getting past that, the two begin to talk about her relationship, putting this slight fiasco behind them.

Oh, just to let you know, I have chapter four of my new story up, and should have chapter five up by tomorrow. I'd type it up today, but I'm typing on a laptop from a hotel( I'm currently in Minnieapolis), and am sort of pressed for time.

[CCACorn26]

Having Nigel and Rachel make their romantic friendship part of their usual Kids Next Door operations, or having Nigel agree to keep Patton and Rachel's romantic friendship a secret? I can't imagine that Patton and Rachel would find their respective positions easy and tenable, so to speak, once they realize that they might have feelings for each other. Rachel might attempt to explain her concern for Patton's safety to Nigel, then think more deeply about her own heart, if I may take this thought pattern further. I don't envy Patton and Rachel's positions -- or the tension that either of them will inevitably have to face should someone find out from Nigel or the rest of Sector V about this emerging yet secretive romance.